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Which Led spot & adapter?

Postby DJF3 » Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:36 pm

Team,

Being fairly unfamiliar with LED lights I have a couple of questions

PLAN: to replace LED spots (built in, kitchen) with new LED spots. These will be controlled & dimmed by a Fibaro Z-wave Dimmer Module 500W

QUESTIONS
- What should I look out for when choosing the power adapter (driver) for these LED lights?
- Should I get 12V or 230V LEDs?
- What's the minimum Wattage that the dimmable LED driver should support? (only 2 LED spots per Fibaro Dimmer module)


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Re: Which Led spot & adapter?

Postby simjoc » Sat Jul 25, 2015 10:55 am

If the system you have now is 230v I should keep it that way. Depending how much spots and how big the room is I would choose 3W or 5W led spots. (GU10)

The Leds I use on 230V are this one: http://www.philips.nl/c-p/8718291192862 ... ot-dimbaar

The controller I use is this one: http://www.hashop.nl/fgd221
And adding also this small module: http://www.hashop.nl/FIB_FGB-001

With 4 led spots there is almost no buzzing from the dimmer, but at certain settings you still can here some buzzing.

First I used china made LED's but with dimming I have no good experiences with it.
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Re: Which Led spot & adapter?

Postby raymonvdm » Sat Jul 25, 2015 6:12 pm

simjoc wrote:If the system you have now is 230v I should keep it that way. Depending how much spots and how big the room is I would choose 3W or 5W led spots. (GU10)

The Leds I use on 230V are this one: http://www.philips.nl/c-p/8718291192862 ... ot-dimbaar

The controller I use is this one: http://www.hashop.nl/fgd221
And adding also this small module: http://www.hashop.nl/FIB_FGB-001

With 4 led spots there is almost no buzzing from the dimmer, but at certain settings you still can here some buzzing.

First I used china made LED's but with dimming I have no good experiences with it.


Note: I think the buzzing only occurs on low dimlevel? When for example this occurs on level 30 you can choose to set the minimum dimlevel to 32 to prevent this. The dimmer will then deny level lower than 32

Note2: I`m not using the dimmer bypass because it gave me strange response of the "Postcode loterij" led bulbs. I`m now in the process of changing to philips HUE and use the dimmer only as remote control device (HUE LUX is almost cheaper then dimmable philips led bulbs)
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Re: Which Led spot & adapter?

Postby Phaeton » Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:24 pm

Hi. I'll change this week to led (gu10 philips masterled dimtone). Will use qubino modules. I'll post my results later.

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Re: Which Led spot & adapter?

Postby DJF3 » Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:32 am

Great info and thanks for the valuable feedback.
In the mean time I'm also testing some scenarios that I will share later!
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Re: Which Led spot & adapter?

Postby Phaeton » Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:43 pm

Today my led bulbs came in. These are the Philips masterled dimtone gu10 bulbs. The qubino modules didnt come in yet. So i tried them with my current fibaro dim module. I'm really happy with the results. I use five bulbs and Theres no flickering when dimming or switching the bulbs. The light becomes more yellow when dimmed because of a single led with a warm white color. This led turns brighter when i dim the lights, while rest of the leds dim. This makes the bulb feel like real halogen bulbs. 4.5 watt replace my 50 watt lamps.

Waf: girlfriend likes the color when dimmed and the fact they dont flicker.

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Re: Which Led spot & adapter?

Postby aglioeolio » Wed Oct 28, 2015 4:26 pm

Hi, found this thread and especially Phaetons comment very interesting.
I am trying to get the combination of Philips MasterLED Dimtone GU10 and Fibaro Dimmer 2 to work. Everything works beside the most important functionality: Switching Off the bulb leads to low light flickering. It does not completely switch of.
I was wondering if there are any settings you could recommend.

Hopefully, I am not regarded as being blunt chiming into this thread as a new forum user ;-)
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Re: Which Led spot & adapter?

Postby Phaeton » Wed Oct 28, 2015 9:49 pm

Did you use a dimmer bypass? It could be that you're below the minimum of watts needed? The bypass makes sure the load is high enough to be able to dim. Normally I noticed this in the lower percentages of dimming.

How much dimtone gu10 do you use and which wattage do they have?

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Re: Which Led spot & adapter?

Postby Akatar » Wed Oct 28, 2015 9:55 pm

as far as i know you have to set dimmer 2 to led
http://www.fibaro.com/manuals/en/FGD-21 ... T-v1.0.pdf

Available settings: 0 - forced leading edge control
1 - forced trailing edge control
2 - control mode selected automatically (based
on auto-calibration)
Default setting: 2 Parameter size:


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Re: Which Led spot & adapter?

Postby aglioeolio » Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:42 am

Thanks for the hints.
I do have three dimtone GU10 with 15W in sum. So, I will try it with the bypass.
I think I have checked and modified the dimmer settings without success. Will double-check though.

One more question: have you also tried the Quibino dimmer with the dimtones?

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Re: Which Led spot & adapter?

Postby Phaeton » Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:03 pm

I did as well. Work fine.

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Re: Which Led spot & adapter?

Postby Phaeton » Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:11 pm

Looking into your issue a little more. The minimum load according to a webshop is 25watt. So you need the bypass. For the dimmer2 you need the bypass2.

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Re: Which Led spot & adapter?

Postby aglioeolio » Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:57 am

Based on your input, I have eventually done some testing ;-)

Result: The Philips Dimtone GU10 LEDs (3 pieces) work like a charm with:
- Fibaro Dimmer 2 with Bypass installed
- Qubino Dimmer

There is NO noise at all. Even my wife had to admit that ;-)
Dimming works at all levels. Very good warm white.

Thanks for your help.
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Re: Which Led spot & adapter?

Postby Edwin2008 » Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:43 pm

what did you use to control the Fibaro Dimmer 2 / - Qubino Dimmer? 0-10V or switches? if 0-10V, which mark/model?
Looking for good solution in the kitchen :)
Found it. Just a switch.
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