Philips Pronto question

Post by **Wima** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:38 pm

Hello,

I want to buy a Pront remote to control my X10 system in combination with HS. After surfing the web I got a little confused about the difference between the pronto models.
I did choose the SBCRU990 http://www.pronto.philips.com/index.cfm?id=1206but when reading the online manual, there is a line witch explains the use of a "wireless extender" (?)
I thought the pronto remotes have got an IR and RF mode, so why an wireless extender ? If I switch the remote to RF-mode, it should be working with my X10, should it ?

Can some one tell me if this remote is suitable for my needs with X10 and HS with no further modifications ?

Thanks

Wil

Post by **TANE** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:49 pm

What I know from the RU970 (older model)
There is no X10 radio in the pronto.
the IR signal must be converted to X10

This can be done via IRX35

For HS control you can better go for the TSU9600
there is a plugin available from Homeseer (freeware)

Post by **Peterpc** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 9:15 pm

Or you can use the Marmitek IRRF7243 for IR to X-10 conversion.
I think the RF extender for the Pronto works on a different way then the X-10 RF signal. But if you put the RF extender in front of the IRRF7243 it will convert the IR from the extender to PLC X-10.

Post by **TANE** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 9:39 pm

For HS control i use the IRtrans module.
It can send and receive IR form HS
http://www.irtrans.de/en/homeautomation/

I have the USB version there is also LAN version.

One of the project I'm working on is:
when some one push the doorbell
HS event will run and take a picture
and when I'm at home the TV will switch automatically to the webcam at the front door.
IRtrans will do the TV control.
HS plugin is for free

Post by **Wima** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:17 pm

The reason I want a Pronto is the use of the RF. I don't want to point the remote to the IR receiver everytime.

BTW nice thing TSU9600 but about € 1300,- (darn !!)

Post by **TANE** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:40 pm

I have the logitech Harmony 895
with IR extenders.
The signal the the extenders is send via RF (i think zwave)

the price of this unit is about 225 euro with one extender.

Post by **Richard** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:06 pm

I don't know how the current software for programming the pronto is, but with my experience (i have the old pronto model). Philips and Software... not a good combination. I stopped with programming the 'thing' because the software were (read: was!) very bad and buggy with less updates. But i can't judge about the current versions so i hope the best for you.

[Offtopic]
(And No, i don't hate philips.

You almost can say that we are very big Philips sponsers (unwanted) because almost everything in the house is from that brand. One thing i NEVER gonna buy from that brand again is a device wich can holds a cd/dvd in combination with software. Damn that's really stuff were i have lots and lots of bad expierences with)
Ironic? Philips.. the inventor of the cd?

[/Offtopic]

Post by **Wima** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:24 pm

Related to my question I've got a good answer on the Homeseer board.
If you are interested see
http://board.homeseer.com/showthread.php?t=124044

It seems in combination with RFXCom (433Mhz) it's no problem using the pronto. Just enter the right X10 codes.

Thanks for your replies.

Wil

Post by **Bwired** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:29 am

This is from www.xanura.nl Sorry guys its in Dutch only and no time to translate
check out also the Xanura IRIX35 and RFIX35.

Met de Philips Pronto Pro, type RU980 kunt u al uw afstandbedieningen samenvoegen in een schitterend apparaat. Met behulp van gebruiksvriendelijke software stelt u zelf de menu's samen waarmee u al uw apparaten via het touchscreen kunt bedienen, inclusief XanuraHome. Met de Pronto Pro kunt u eenvoudig macro's samenstellen waardoor u bijvoorbeeld met één druk op de knop uw TV en Home Cinema uitschakelt evenals alle lampen in de woonkamer.

Het .pcf bestand dat u kunt downloaden bevat templates die u direct kunt inlezen in de software van uw Pronto Pro. Indien gewenst kunt u de voorgeprogrammeerde knoppen toevoegen aan het door u zelf samengestelde menu. Het.pcf-bestand bevat templates voor zowel infrarood als radiofrequent signalen.

De Philips Pronto Pro kan direct communiceren met de XanuraHome infrarood ontvanger IRIX35 en de XanuraHome radiofrequent ontvanger RFIX35 van Eaton.

Templates voor IRIX35
Bij infrarood-communicatie wordt de lettercode bepaald door de ingestelde lettercode van de ontvanger (IRIX35). Per IRIX35 zijn maximaal 16 adressen van 1 lettercode aan te sturen. Op de IRIX35 kan ingesteld worden of dit in togglemode moet of niet. De template bevat:
Compacte template met 2 schermen met ieder 8 adressen
Template met 4 schermen met ieder 4 adressen en ruimte voor XanuraHome-iconen
Mogelijkheid om knoppen te benoemen
Dim- en bright-knoppen
‘All Lights On’ en ‘All Units Off’-knoppen

Template voor RFIX35
De RFIX35 kan indien gewenst alle 256 adressen ontvangen (lettercode P). Bij radiofrequent wordt de lettercode door de zender meegezonden. De meeste afstandbedieningen kunnen slechts 16 adressen van 1 lettercode verzenden (ABX1, ABX3). De Pronto kan echter meerdere lettercodes zenden. De template bevat:
Voorgeprogrammeerde knoppen voor de lettercodes A t/m D
Template met 4 schermen met ieder 4 adressen per lettercode. Voor de lettercodes A t/m D zijn dit 16 schermen
Mogelijkheid om knoppen te benoemen
Dim- en bright-knoppen
‘All Lights On’ en ‘All Units Off’-knoppen

Pieter Knuvers
www.bwired.nl Online House in the netherlands. Domotica, Home Automation.

Post by **Snelvuur** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:55 pm

The RU980 (also known as the pronto pro) is able to send RF as far as i know. This is the only module i know from philips which does it without the need of extenders. Still it has the old look and feel of the original pronto´s which was in my case (a bunch of years ago) to buggy and slow. If you want 20 buttons and you have fat fingers.. your screwed to name one of the issues i had. The logitech works nice to with its extenders, but if you change something you have to reprogram the remote and the extender which is time consuming (i have one in the corner, gathering dust) and you cant ´create´ your own message which is a real plus to me.

// Erik (binkey.nl)

Post by **bas** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:35 pm

hoi goedendag
hier een berichtje van bas uit woerden
er is een pronto de sbcru-950 die rechtstreeks xanura kan bedienen
dus met x-10 .let op alleen een europese uitvoering.

te koop wel eens op marktplaats die pronto doet ook ir en rf
en met een progje (codegen) kan je dus x 10 bedienen

groetjes bas

Post by **Snelvuur** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:30 am

Keep it english please for our other country visitors

// Erik (binkey.nl)