Currently, all light and scene switches in my house are of the type X10(2nd) as sold by http://x10-hk.com/store/index.php?cPath=21_30 and I installed three Marmitek FD10 DIN phase couplers/filters to make this work.
To improve the reliability and looks, I'm considering to replace the switches by PLCBUS Crystal Wall switches (http://x10-hk.com/store/index.php?cPath=22_47).
I hope you can help me to get the following questions answered?
1) Can the X10(2nd) switches be replaced by the Crystal Wall switches in terms of size and wallmount-plate? I.e. do they fit in the same wall space (even if it are more than one in a row?)
2) Does the Marmitek phase coupler also repeat the PLCBUS signals to all phases or do I have to replace them for PLCBUS alternatives?
Thanks,
Jaro
Combining X10 and PLCBUS
Moderator: Digit
Combining X10 and PLCBUS
The first question has to be answered by Digit (moderator PLCBUS), he will I think.
The answer to the second question is no, different protocol etc, you need an extra device for that see http://x10-hk.com/store/product_info.ph ... cts_id=110 also more expensive than the X10 version.
The answer to the second question is no, different protocol etc, you need an extra device for that see http://x10-hk.com/store/product_info.ph ... cts_id=110 also more expensive than the X10 version.
Combining X10 and PLCBUS
1) Yes, you can replace them with the Crystal Wall Switches. Width is the same for both: 86 mm.
2) Pieter is right, PLCBUS requires a different phase coupler. (http://x10-hk.com/store/product_info.ph ... cts_id=110) There's no way to combine both.
2) Pieter is right, PLCBUS requires a different phase coupler. (http://x10-hk.com/store/product_info.ph ... cts_id=110) There's no way to combine both.
Combining X10 and PLCBUS
Thank you both for your fast replies! I'm impressed by the work you both did on your digital homes.
If I understand correctly, there's no way to combine the X10 phase couplers with the PLCBUS phase coupler?
During the transfer from X10 to PLCBUS, I would like to use both systems together. Can this be done?
If I understand correctly, there's no way to combine the X10 phase couplers with the PLCBUS phase coupler?
During the transfer from X10 to PLCBUS, I would like to use both systems together. Can this be done?
Combining X10 and PLCBUS
Have you seen this topic? I was wrong in last part of my 2nd answer:
http://www.domoticaforum.eu/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1108
http://www.domoticaforum.eu/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1108
Combining X10 and PLCBUS
@Digit: Thanks for the pointer. Unfortunately I'm unable to draw a conclusion from the thread you mentioned. I'm also not using micro-modules, which may complicate this for me.
ElekHomica advised me today to install a PLCBUS<->X10 convertor on every phase, which sounds like a good (temporary) solution to me (although it may not be very fast).
Is the PLCBUS<->X10 convertor reliable? Does anyone have experience with this?
Thanks again!
ElekHomica advised me today to install a PLCBUS<->X10 convertor on every phase, which sounds like a good (temporary) solution to me (although it may not be very fast).
Is the PLCBUS<->X10 convertor reliable? Does anyone have experience with this?
Thanks again!
Combining X10 and PLCBUS
Jaro, i meant this part:
"Just talked to the supplier of PLCBUS stuff:
The FKX and PLCBUS do not work together. Should you want to implement both X10 and PLCBUS in a 3-phase installation means that you will need two (active) repeaters: One for X10/A10 and one for PLCBUS."
So, you can combine the 2 protocols with 3-phase. Earlier in the thread i wrote you couldn't..
I don't use the PLCBUS<->X10 converter; i have an X10 interface and PLCBUS interface, so i don't have the need for it. Can't tell you anything about it...
"Just talked to the supplier of PLCBUS stuff:
The FKX and PLCBUS do not work together. Should you want to implement both X10 and PLCBUS in a 3-phase installation means that you will need two (active) repeaters: One for X10/A10 and one for PLCBUS."
So, you can combine the 2 protocols with 3-phase. Earlier in the thread i wrote you couldn't..
I don't use the PLCBUS<->X10 converter; i have an X10 interface and PLCBUS interface, so i don't have the need for it. Can't tell you anything about it...
Combining X10 and PLCBUS
do you now how you can program the plcbus wall switch with the home control box (x10) i have also bought the 4808 converter..
thnx alot
thnx alot
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Re: Combining X10 and PLCBUS
hi i have a similair questions,
I have an x10 system in house with x10 PC interface. I bougt some plcbus inwall 1 load 2267 modules and a 4808 unit. Can i use those inwall switches with my x10 controller by using the 4808? I dont have any plcbus transmitters.
thanks
Bart Bakels
I have an x10 system in house with x10 PC interface. I bougt some plcbus inwall 1 load 2267 modules and a 4808 unit. Can i use those inwall switches with my x10 controller by using the 4808? I dont have any plcbus transmitters.
thanks
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Re: Combining X10 and PLCBUS
If you are using One Phase system , so you only need one unit of PLCBUS-4808. ((PLCBUS-4808 need to be set in 1 Phase Mode)bartbakels wrote:hi i have a similair questions,
I have an x10 system in house with x10 PC interface. I bougt some plcbus inwall 1 load 2267 modules and a 4808 unit. Can i use those inwall switches with my x10 controller by using the 4808? I dont have any plcbus transmitters.
thanks
Bart Bakels
Since PLCBUS-4808 will "translate" X10 to PLCBUS and also "translate" PLCBUS to X10.
But if you are using Three Phase System , that will be complicated.
Case 1) If all the PLCBUS receiver (PLCBUS Wall Switch , PLCBUS Micro Module , PLCBUS Plug-in module) all in the same phase , so you need :
X10 Coupler + one unit of PLCBUS-4808 that plug in the same phase of your PLCBUS receiver (PLCBUS-4808 need to be set in 3 Phase Mode)
Case 2) If you only have one X10 controller and PLCBUS receiver across different phase , so you need :
X10 Coupler + PLCBUS Coupler , and only need one unit of PLCBUS-4808 and plug into the same phase of your X10 controller (PLCBUS-4808 need to be set in 3 Phase Mode)
Case 3) If you have many X10 controller in three different phase , so you need :
X10 Coupler + PLCBUS Coupler + Three unit of PLCBUS-4808 (PLCBUS-4808 need to be set in 3 Phase Mode)
Kevin Lo
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