Hardware: Toon boiler module, "ketelmodule"

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Re: Hardware: Toon boiler module, "ketelmodule"

Postby warp » Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:37 pm

Hi all,
I just installed a second-hand toon, rooted it successfully, toonstore is installed and working.
The gas meter works correctly as well.
I'm now stuck with the boiler module. It has the opentherm logo on the back.
I have a viessmann boiler, which is compatible with openterm.
I also have a remote (Vitotrol 200A) which is, if I'm not wrong, communicating with the opentherm protocol.
(according to the manual it is connected to the boiler on the km-bus).

In the overview setup menu, there's a green flag on the boiler module.

I first tried to connect to toon boiler module instead of the remote.
I then click on the refresh icon in the boiler setup menu (that menu shows "Opentherm" with a selector that does nothing, then "stop/start" and close to that the refresh icon), and I can hear a kind of relay (closing ?). It does nothing apparently, then again the relay (opening ?) after 3-4 seconds.

Since several remotes can be installed on the same bus, I then connected the boiler module in parallel to the remote.
I hit the refresh icon, same relay sound, nothing happens, then again the relay.
During that time the (original) boiler remote still works.

Is there something I should do ?
Thanks.
Warp
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Re: Hardware: Toon boiler module, "ketelmodule"

Postby TheHogNL » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:59 pm

The toon opentherm boilermodule doesn't allow any parallel operation.
Also, when in aan/uit it will work as a simpele relay (what you already described). In fact, that relay switch for a few seconds is just the boilermodule trying to detect opentherm and if not falling back to aan/uit.
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Re: Hardware: Toon boiler module, "ketelmodule"

Postby warp » Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:06 pm

That’s also my guess : the relay switches to opentherm, tries to detect, then comes back to on/off mode.
What I don’t understand is why the original thermostat works, and the toon does not.
I will search further to see if there would be a confit in the boiler itself.
I will also make sure the remote uses the opentherm protocol (what I’m not 100% sure)
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Re: Hardware: Toon boiler module, "ketelmodule"

Postby TheHogNL » Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:47 pm

Probably because it doesn't support opentherm natively :-) Maybe you need an extra module for opentherm support on the boiler. I'm not familiair with viesmann.
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Re: Hardware: Toon boiler module, "ketelmodule"

Postby warp » Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:04 pm

So...indeed my boiler does not support opentherm. Point.
Actually I’m lucky I didn’t break anything.
There’s a gateway, but it cost 400€ !!
Not sure it’s worth the price.
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Re: Hardware: Toon boiler module, "ketelmodule"

Postby Templar » Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:38 pm

marcelr wrote:I'm having some issues logging the thermostat code output. Will try again this weekend.


Hi marcelr,

Have you managed to find out if the ketelmodule is working in back to back mode?
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Re: Hardware: Toon boiler module, "ketelmodule"

Postby markismus » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:00 am

Wattage Ketelmodule and Toon

I was wondering how much wattage the ketelmodule and more importantly the Toon 1 really need.

The ketelmodule states that it uses 10.3W and the power adapter states that it delivers 24V at 0.5A, which comes to 12W.

The power adapter of the ketelmodule flashed rather splendidly yesterday and we woke up in a rather cold house. Opening it up it was nicely blackened inside. I desoldered the wires and connected them to my central heating boiler, an Intergas combiketel HR36-30 from 2011. It has two connection for powering a clock thermostat giving me 24V with a max of 3W.

However, the Toon works spendidly. So either the Intergas Combiketel gives way more wattage that it is rated for in the installation instructions or the Toon really doesn't need 10W if you don't use the USB port for charging.
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Re: Hardware: Toon boiler module, "ketelmodule"

Postby Ierlandfan » Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:29 am

Am I right that around 10 watts 24/7 and with paid subscription of 4,50, Toon costs us +- 7 euro a month?
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Re: Hardware: Toon boiler module, "ketelmodule"

Postby TheHogNL » Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:16 am

Ierlandfan wrote:Am I right that around 10 watts 24/7 and with paid subscription of 4,50, Toon costs us +- 7 euro a month?


10 watts (0,01 kilowatts) times 24 hours = 0,24 kWh a day and that makes around 7 kWh per month which roughly is 1,5 euro per month so that would be 6 euro's :-)

But coming back to the to question earlier. I think it is more like 10 watts peak. Around 1 or 2 watts operational is what I remember from earlier measurements.
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