Unforgivable! Plugwise stealing data !!!

Post by **MindBender** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:09 pm

I doubt if it's legal: End Users License Agreements are worthless without your signature under it. Ticking a checkbox or breaking a seal is not enough to confirm you agreeing. Besides that, they specifically state this information not to be traceble to a specific user or house hold. Finally it is prohibited by law to gather information on people. What they do can never be in line with "de Wet Bescherming Persoonsgegevens" as they state.

I'm sure the guys of the Electronic Frontier Foundation will be more than interested in this: http://www.eff.org/

Post by **Digit** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:13 pm

I wonder if it's legal.
Here's what their Privacy statement says:

So their software does not comply with their own Privacy Statement.
Now what do you have to believe? Instead of being clear about this important issue they are being very fuzzy; fuzzy enough to fool 95% of all Plugwise users with the little checkbox.
I still consider this a critical bug and want the Source to comply to the Privacy statement.

I've tried to get in contact by phone this afternoon, but nobody was available.

To be continued...

Post by **Esteban** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:25 pm

I have to agree with MindBender, a EULA doesn't mean much in the Netherlands. On top of that the data looks pretty personal to me. And indeed they are doing what we weren't sure we wanted the energy companies to do either. Good thing our own way of controlling these devices is on its way. I'd be well pissed off like Digit if I had Plugwise and found out I just bought a snooping or marketing device.

Even if it was legal, looking at the amount of data collected it should have been stated very clearly that they were doing this... Something they clearly didn't seeing all the reactions here.

Post by **Noel** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:27 pm

Lets code a small script that will send lot's of bogus info to portal.plugwise.com

Post by **Snelvuur** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:47 pm

wifi: would be nicer if you just create your own "portal" and create a keygen for the software. and then point the portal to a ip adres of somebody's fake server (our creation) to circumvent the whole deal..

// Erik (binkey.nl)

Post by **Willem4ever** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:18 pm

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by wifi
 Lets code a small script that will send lot's of bogus info to portal.plugwise.com

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Now that would be illegal

Post by **Ruud** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:53 pm

The Plugwise Forum, don't accept new registrations!!
Maybe they are afraid of our comment.

Gr Ruud

Post by **Esteban** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:35 pm

Plugwise doesn't have a real forum. Just a FAQ using a forum-engine. That's probably why you can't register.

Post by **Bwired** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:22 pm

For now if you don't want the data to be send just block the IPnr in your router.
Can somebody tell me which software version you all have.

Post by **Digit** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:28 pm

V20081110

Post by **Noel** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:35 pm

Where do you see the version nr.?

Post by **Digit** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:37 pm

Look at Pieters first post. It's hardly readable.

Post by **Noel** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:46 pm

Like Digit.
V20081110
Pieter. Do you still have your version's installer?

Post by **Rene** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:47 pm

@Pieter: I am also running V20081110

Rene.

Post by **Bwired** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:48 pm

I have V20080807 and its not in there, so they changed it recently.