Experience with automatic radiator valves?

Post by **MindBender** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 4:30 pm

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by slimyosra
 for sale a HR80:
http://cgi.ebay.fr/Honeywell-HR80UK-HR8 ... 286.c0.m14<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I'll keep an eye on it; If it goes for a low price it might just be what I need to do some initial investigation. But I'm not prepared to pay too much for it because I have nothing but bad experiences with French eBay sellers.

Post by **slimyosra** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 1:01 pm

Hi MindBender,
I can lend one HR80Uk for test purpose, I live in noord holland, if you are intersted I will send my contact details with PM.
Regards
Slim

Post by **Bwired** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:54 pm

Here you can buy them at Conrad.nl
http://www.conrad.nl/goto.php?artikel=560068
together with a thermostat controlling 3 x HR80 for 335 euro
It sure would be nice if we could control these valves otherwise!

Post by **TANE** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:03 pm

Price is good
to bad that the interface is not open.

Danfoss z-wave version cost +/- 80 euro

Post by **Snelvuur** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:48 pm

I bought some hr80's so mindbender can take a look.. maybe it will produce something, maybe not... i can always use the zone thingy later if i wanted it.

// Erik (binkey.nl)

Post by **MindBender** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 4:08 pm

Yesterday I have bought myself a Honeywell CM57z thermostat, just to see what's inside. Besides a Honewell NEC OEM chip, some glue logic and an I2C EEPROM, it seems to have a discrete RF-modem:

The IC is probably custom stamped as well because the markings don't ring any bell to me:
K110 B3
G0636
The frequency of the crystal is 13.567188 MHz, FK cut. This could generate an RF carrier frequency of 868,3(00032) MHz. Is this familiar to anybody?
Today I will try to hook it up to a spectrum analyzer. Later I will verify if the two distinct PCB traces to it carry any know of know bus signal (SPI, I2C, UART, etc).

Post by **MindBender** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:23 pm

And here's the signal on one of the two traces:

It looks like an asynchronous serial signal, but I need to measure both signals simultaneously to know for sure.
Does this look familiar to anybody? Bert?

Edit: Whoops, look at that time-base. Clearly a case of under-sampling. Time to bring out a real scope...

Post by **MindBender** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:14 pm

It's most definitely an FSK signal:

It appears that two frequencies are used. This signal is preceded by a preamble of a fixed length of the higher frequency, followed by a single period of a uniquely low frequency. After that, it's just the two frequencies as in the illustration above. If you look closely, you can see that the signal is not symmetrical which may indicate that data is transmitted on both edges.

Does it look familiar to anyone? I'm sure you have seen it before, Bert. It's quite common in RF communication...

Post by **b_weijenberg** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:35 am

Mindbender, I will contact you.

Post by **HomeAlone** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:42 am

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by MindBender

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Is the metal on the left the antanna of the device?

Post by **MindBender** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 6:48 pm

Yes, but don't tamper with it. It's precisely tuned and if you're thinking a dish is improving your reception, you're not very likely to improve it

Post by **bradley** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:51 pm

Hi Mindbender

Sounds like you're making some progress in figuring out the CM-Zone protocol..........which is great as I'm just about to buy one for my house.

Post by **MindBender** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:01 pm

My measurements seem to have sparked some inspiration for Bert. I have sent him many more detailed measurement results and he is investigating the possibility of RFXCOM support for this system. That would be a perfect solution to this problem. But don't get your hopes up yet: We still have a long way to go.

Post by **bradley** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:09 pm

Yeah

I had actually asked Bert about this back in July and at that stage he didn't think support was realistic.......hopefully now he's changed his mind

Post by **Esteban** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:28 pm

Very cool to hear MindBender, I'll be keeping my fingers crossed for you and Bert. This would indeed be a very nice addition.