Hi,
I have a fusebox with 1 fase (hoofdschakelaar 40 A -> 2 aardlekschakelaars -> groepen). I've connected the CTX35 on a walloutlet next to the fusebox which goes to fuse5.
Fuse5 is also my kitchen, toilet, dining room. In those rooms i have multiple SAIX12 devices connected. They work.
Everything i connect to another group will fail. It can't be the length of the powercables because i'm in a appartment and i just tested a power outlet in the hall (which is connected to group 6) and that power outlet is less distant than the kitchen (also in wiring).
Are the groups automatically filtering? Devices are standard ABB fuses.
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As far as I know the fuses (normal or automatic) don't filter out the signal. You could try to see if the module in group 6 works if you put the CTX35 in an outlet group 6 too.
It is more likely that there is an appliance generating noise on the lines and that the noise "stops" the signal in your fuse box.
Have you tried disconnecting every appliance and see if the problem goes away? I've been trying out ages before I found all (at least I hope so) appliances generating noise. The adsl-modem (which is connected to an outlet in the fuse box) was probably the one which created the noise in my fuse box so I couldn't see modules in other groups. The refrigerator was hard to find because it only created noise when the compressor was working.
In the end I've rerouted the groups in the fuse box and added a SFX40 to filter out the noise for only 5 groups. I already bought the SFX40 to filter the entire house right after the main switch but instead it now only filters the 5 groups used for the light and outlets. I also use a few noname FM10 filters (for the computer, TV, stereo).
It is more likely that there is an appliance generating noise on the lines and that the noise "stops" the signal in your fuse box.
Have you tried disconnecting every appliance and see if the problem goes away? I've been trying out ages before I found all (at least I hope so) appliances generating noise. The adsl-modem (which is connected to an outlet in the fuse box) was probably the one which created the noise in my fuse box so I couldn't see modules in other groups. The refrigerator was hard to find because it only created noise when the compressor was working.
In the end I've rerouted the groups in the fuse box and added a SFX40 to filter out the noise for only 5 groups. I already bought the SFX40 to filter the entire house right after the main switch but instead it now only filters the 5 groups used for the light and outlets. I also use a few noname FM10 filters (for the computer, TV, stereo).
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Jeroen is right!
If you want reliable X10 you need to examine your powerline first, this can be done with for instance with a PMIX35. All kind of devices can disturb the signal. Today I installed a new PC for the kids and guess what, The Xanura switches became very slow and some switches even did not work any more. I unplugged the computer and everything worked again, so this one needs a filter.
If you want reliable X10 you need to examine your powerline first, this can be done with for instance with a PMIX35. All kind of devices can disturb the signal. Today I installed a new PC for the kids and guess what, The Xanura switches became very slow and some switches even did not work any more. I unplugged the computer and everything worked again, so this one needs a filter.
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by JeroenE</i>
<br />As far as I know the fuses (normal or automatic) don't filter out the signal. You could try to see if the module in group 6 works if you put the CTX35 in an outlet group 6 too.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">That will work. So that would be alot of work, but i will check this this weekend. The PMIX is an expensive device. Hope to solve this issue without it.
<br />As far as I know the fuses (normal or automatic) don't filter out the signal. You could try to see if the module in group 6 works if you put the CTX35 in an outlet group 6 too.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">That will work. So that would be alot of work, but i will check this this weekend. The PMIX is an expensive device. Hope to solve this issue without it.
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Found the sources of the problem:
- TV
- Samsung audio set
- Philips Wake-Up light
The process of finding the sources irritates me alot. Not only can one device be the problem but also a combination, right? Like, if one device places noice on the line, but not enough to disturb X10, a second one in combination with the first one, will. That is something i have discovered in my house.
Now, if i add a new device i've check the process again and by then it can be that adding that new device could be the problem in combination with a 4th device (that didn't gave the problem at first). Right?
Also, i've checked to modules in my living room to switch on the lights. They work right now if i disconnect those devices (in the list above), but it could also be that another device in another room will give problems in that room.
How do you do this without going through whole the process again? Are there any tips?
Will amplifier modules help? If they will help (without having the problems of adding devices), where do you place them?
Now i have to add filters, but i've to put them in the sockets, which is not a nice sight. Are there any hidden filters?
It would also be nice if powerwise add a filter to their plugs. A second device isn't then needed.
Also, does the SAIX12 also filter this noise? Otherwise it would be an idea to place it behind the sockets.
Any idea, why a second DAIX12 module will not respond always when another DAIX12 is right next to it? They both use the same null line and same phase. The null is connected to the first DAIX12 and then from the first module to the second. The phase line is going to a splitter and going to both modules. I don't think this would give a problem, but have no idea why this would happen. Is it possible that the first module will see the X10 command on the null line, but the second one not because the signal is to week to go to the second? The null line is properly 10 cm long from the first to the second module.
- TV
- Samsung audio set
- Philips Wake-Up light
The process of finding the sources irritates me alot. Not only can one device be the problem but also a combination, right? Like, if one device places noice on the line, but not enough to disturb X10, a second one in combination with the first one, will. That is something i have discovered in my house.
Now, if i add a new device i've check the process again and by then it can be that adding that new device could be the problem in combination with a 4th device (that didn't gave the problem at first). Right?
Also, i've checked to modules in my living room to switch on the lights. They work right now if i disconnect those devices (in the list above), but it could also be that another device in another room will give problems in that room.
How do you do this without going through whole the process again? Are there any tips?
Will amplifier modules help? If they will help (without having the problems of adding devices), where do you place them?
Now i have to add filters, but i've to put them in the sockets, which is not a nice sight. Are there any hidden filters?
It would also be nice if powerwise add a filter to their plugs. A second device isn't then needed.
Also, does the SAIX12 also filter this noise? Otherwise it would be an idea to place it behind the sockets.
Any idea, why a second DAIX12 module will not respond always when another DAIX12 is right next to it? They both use the same null line and same phase. The null is connected to the first DAIX12 and then from the first module to the second. The phase line is going to a splitter and going to both modules. I don't think this would give a problem, but have no idea why this would happen. Is it possible that the first module will see the X10 command on the null line, but the second one not because the signal is to week to go to the second? The null line is properly 10 cm long from the first to the second module.
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Welcome to the club 
There are numerous noise generators that can harm reliability of X10/A10/PLCBUS. You'll have to get to know what is going on on your powerline. Monitoring/logging it around the clock will help maybe, so when you add a new device you'll see the difference and instantly know the cause. But it's not always that simple.
Tip: I have an X10 filter module from http://x10-hk.com that looks just like a regular module (http://www.hekkers.net/albums/Domotica/ ... _6266.html), haven't tested it yet though. Noise is a real pain in the ..., but i guess you'll just have to accept it and deal with it.
There are numerous noise generators that can harm reliability of X10/A10/PLCBUS. You'll have to get to know what is going on on your powerline. Monitoring/logging it around the clock will help maybe, so when you add a new device you'll see the difference and instantly know the cause. But it's not always that simple.
Tip: I have an X10 filter module from http://x10-hk.com that looks just like a regular module (http://www.hekkers.net/albums/Domotica/ ... _6266.html), haven't tested it yet though. Noise is a real pain in the ..., but i guess you'll just have to accept it and deal with it.
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Just installed a filter in front of the Philips Wake-Up light, but that didn't resolve the issue. Pulling the filter+light out of the outlet, everything works fine. So the filter isn't filtering the noise completely. Anybody else has a Philips Wake-Up light? What can i do to solve this? (beside selling the light 
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its now working. didnt change anything. probably another source of noise.