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More and more Moeller RF Xcomfort is used in all kind of installations in houses and appertments.
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Are you a dealer off this stuff?
I see a lot replies on topic's in which you promote Moeller

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I have used it now a couple of times in different installations. Familyhouses and appartments and it is very easy to install. I use the so calles COMFORT MODE this is with the software. The software is free you only need an interface to connect your PC with the installation. Very easy to switch and dim lights and to operate the shutters. It also can operate E-VSA to dimm lighttubes, LED drivers and RGB modules also i used it to switch the central ventilationbox from 5 different places (max. 15 places) and not only the kitchen. It is an RF system so no wires and it uses the 868,3 Mhz band. Very reliable.

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No I am not a dealer, only are user who is very enthousiastic about it.
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Not a dealer in selling the stuff within a webshop, but you are, as i read between the lines, a professional installer of the stuff. The majority of the people around this forum are using a generic software solution and not a vendor-lockedin solutions. You should have an open mind to be around this forum. If i look at the price they aren't that expensive (http://www.klusspullen.nl/default.asp?s ... 20Xcomfort). Do give some more information. I only would buy it if it's reliable and homeseer pluggable.
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I agree with mgizmo.
for me is Moeller RF Xcomfort is same as Kaku..okay RF part is better..but no interface.

Merten is much more open and you can use standard zwave for controlling.
only problem...they have long way to go before the micro modules are reduced in size.
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I guess Moeller is a bit more reliable but no Homeseer interface and a big price difference:
117 euro http://www.klusspullen.nl/default.asp?s ... lnr=232747
21 euro http://www.klikaanklikuit.nl/product_detail.asp?id=49
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What I did see on the site or in the documentation, is that Moeller is also part of the Eaton company. Therefor I did find some similarities between them. The new Home Control Box for the Xcomfort looks quite the same as the Xanura HCB.
SAIX12 and the built in modules from Xcomfort also look very similar, besides the communication method.

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The basic hardware of the Home Control Box of Moeller and Xanura is the same, except some hardware differences - Xanura has a build in CTX35 module for the X10 communication and the Moeller box has a USB interface to manage the RF signals.
Even the software structure inside the box is similar except drivers and module handling.

Although it is similar hardware it is not possible to transfer a Xanura box into a Moeller box or reverse - it is protected.

The Moeller build-in module are more bulky - and can't be installed behind a switch like the Xanura modules.

Moeller is using their own RF protocol as a closed system .

I did two Moeller installations with the HCB without any problems and indeed it is a professional installation system and shouldn't be compared in reliability or pricing with KAKU devices.

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Moeller Xcomfort is technisch niet te vergelijken met KAKU. ER zijn een 3-tal technische kenmerken die zorgen voor een zeer hoge bedrijfszekerheid. Deze verklaren ook de hogere prijs dan die van KAKU
1. de gebruikte frequentieband van 868,3 MHz
2. Het systeem is bidirectioneel (tweeweg communicatie tussen sensor en actor)
3. Het systeem kent een routingfunctie dat er voor zorgt dat het signall via een alternatief traject van actoren loop als een directe verbinding tussen actor en sensor niet mogelijk is. Bijv. door teveel opstakels.

De toepassingen in een actor zijn zeer uitgebreid. Van een tijdvertraging (0 sec tot 18 uur) tot aan pulsdrukkerfunctie tot aan bistabiel relais.
Bij de dimmers is het instellen van memorie, gewenste helderheid, dimtijd, enz heel eenvoudig.
Uniek zijn de veiligheidsfuncties in de jaloezieactoren. Door de looptijd op oneindig lang te zetten is het heel eenvoudig de mechanische ventilatie op zolder te sturen vanaf maximaal 15 verschillende plaatsen.

Scnes zeer zeer eenvoudig in de wandschakelaars en andere sesnoren te programmeren. Hiervoor heb je geen extra intelligent apparaat nodig.

Voor het aansturen van LED drivers kan je de analoge actor van 1-10 VDC gebruiken, ook voor het aansturen van RGB modules.

Het is zelfs mogelijk om analoge signalen (0-10VDC, 0-20 mA, 4-20 mA, weertstandswaarde)in de RF installatie op te nemen om daarmee iets te schakelen. Denk hierbij aan luchtkwaliteitsregelingen en daglicht afhankelijke regelingen met lichtintensiteits sensoren

Voor het visualiseren en uitvoeren van logische functies is de room-manager zeer geschikt, alleen is het bedienen ervan even wennen. Maar is goed te doen

Als je meer wilt weten over het systeem vraag gerust...
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It is clear that for the professional market the Moeller system is preferred due to reliability and extendibility. The 868.3MHz frequency is used more and more and will be overloaded too in the future.

The lower-priced Plugwise modules use a communication technique at 2.4GHz that is very much comparable to the Moeller system and is also very reliability. Were the Plugwise has in addition the power measurement option.

KlikAanKlikUit and HomeEasy systems don't have so much expandable options in the system. But this can easily be implemented in the Home automation system that is used to control these units. The new models have dim level settings. It can happen that the 433.92MHz frequency is disturbed by other systems like headphones and this will reduce the reliability very much as it is a one way communication channel. In most cases a reliability of about 99 percent can be realized and this solution is therefore acceptable for hobbyists and private installations.

It is the price-performance comparison and the support by Home Automation systems that the user must take into account to make the best choice.
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I'm not making a separate forum yet for this product because at this moment you are the only one using Moeller Xcomfort on this forum.
So not very popular product at this moment, as soon as there are enough topics or interest I will do this.
And please translate your last post to English
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I installed last 3 years a lot of Moeller XComfort hardwares.They are reliable and easy to use.The price isn't so big as someone said.I use to SELL & INSTALL 1 actuator(dimmer)+ 1 push-button with 100Euro.So,if you have 20-30 lightining circuits in a home isn't a fortune to install it.I made some calculation and a classic but good brand rocket can be expensive than a moeller xcomfort actuator + pushbutton.I bought the code to unlock professional version of MRF1.42,despite this ,I still have problems with routing of telegrams.I never met one case that i could install a general On/Off push button without headache.for the rest is brilliant..it increase the comfort at max.I tried EIB/KNX sollution..merten and gira..very nice rockets,very nice touch screens pannels,but,expensive hardwares ,programming software(ETS) isn't free..so..is far more expensive than moeller...is there anyone who knows what processor use CSAU-01/01 or CDAU-01/02?
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