Alternatives to the Xanura modules?

Post by **Noel** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:43 am

As Marmitek is only giving a two (2) year waranty on NEW modules I'm now going to replace all my "broken" modules with something that is none Marmitek...

Modulse (from Xanura) that I'm using are: DAIX12, SAIX12, SAX1, ZAX12.

Anyone here who might know of any good replacement product? Anything (any system) is fine as long as it will fit behind a switch (50mm boxes), and as long as it's NOT from Marmitek.

Thank you for any info.

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Post by **Edwin2008** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:59 am

KaKu, maar ja...

Post by **Noel** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:10 pm

I forgot one thing.. It needs to be two way (I need to be able to poll the device to see if the unit is on or off).
So.. Kaku is a no go (only 1 way)

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Post by **Akatar** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 2:53 pm

perhaps zwave

Post by **Henk** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:01 pm

So far as i know no other replacement product can be placed together with the switch or outlet in a 50mm deep wall box .... the build-in modules of other technology are mostly 2x as thick and you need a separate wall box. Or install it without the switch and cover it with a blind plate. The traditional switch (on/off) should ne replaced by thin RF wall switches.
Also the replacement build-in products don't have the local switch capability (wires) to use all different kind of switches.
Also the module IMX10 is a nice product to build 4 channel switching controls and no easy replacement.

Xanura has some nice features not yet copied by other vendors.

Henk

Post by **Peterpc** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:22 pm

Do they also have to have a lifetime waranty, or only 2 years?

Post by **Noel** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:33 pm

It does not matter.. I just do not want it from Marmitek.
I really do not like their attitude.

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Post by **MindBender** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 10:22 am

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by wifi
 It does not matter.. I just do not want it from Marmitek.
I really do not like their attitude.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Same here; Xanura is a faulty product and Holec knew that. But Holec compensated that with excellent service: All modules were replaced instantly, no questions asked.

With a break-down rate of 4 units per year it's incovenient to open your system once or twice a year, with some non-functioning lights in between, but at least it didn't cost any money. I'm not going to maintain a system that will cost me 4x 100 Euro per year.

I have always resisted agains Z-Wave because I don't want the controll of my house out on the streets. But with the attitude Marmitek shows I too am looking for an alternative.

Post by **Post-IT** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 2:13 pm

Are there any other wire based protocols other then the Xanura X10 implementation which could help here? Is there some sort of non-wireless version of Z-wave maybe, because the protocol seems to support all the needed features...

Post by **Aurelia** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:25 pm

What about Peha? PHC system
I saw them on Elektrotechniek 2009 in Utrecht last week.
Next to Eton Muller.
Very nice LCD display fitting in a 2 elements socket.
http://www.peha-elektro.nl/Produkten.as ... 71fdf40fe9

Post by **William.abbo** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:30 pm

MindBender,

With ZWave the control of your house is not on the street, every controler is using a unique code. I think with X10 your house is on the street, X10 does not know where your house ends [^]

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by MindBender
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by wifi
 It does not matter.. I just do not want it from Marmitek.
I really do not like their attitude.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Same here; Xanura is a faulty product and Holec knew that. But Holec compensated that with excellent service: All modules were replaced instantly, no questions asked.

With a break-down rate of 4 units per year it's incovenient to open your system once or twice a year, with some non-functioning lights in between, but at least it didn't cost any money. I'm not going to maintain a system that will cost me 4x 100 Euro per year.

I have always resisted agains Z-Wave because I don't want the controll of my house out on the streets. But with the attitude Marmitek shows I too am looking for an alternative.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Post by **Post-IT** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:26 pm

The unique code is a 32 digit number, so that seems guessable and therefor z-wave (current version 3) seems less secure then plain text wifi. X10 wired version (Xanura) can be secured using filters. So there somewhat truth to Mindbenders words. I wouldn't use it to communicate things between HS and my alarm panel or door opener.

However, Z-wave still seems to be working on the version 4 (series 400) of the z-wave chipset, which would include AES encryption. Unfortunately it's been over a year since they announced it.

Post by **Noel** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:31 pm

So... Who is selling Z-wave in the Netherlands?

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Post by **Post-IT** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:35 am

Not too many shops unfortunately.

I've made an overview of the possible candidates. Does anyone have something to add to this?

I did not include bus systems because they don't seem a fair replacement for Xanura without implementing a huge amount of extra wiring.

Post by **Noel** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:02 am

Looks nice Post-IT
Maybe you can also make a "module compare" list

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