Axis 241q

Post by **Snelvuur** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:21 pm

Ok,

All ready and set to go, wanting a axis241q, i thought i go out today and get me one in some shop.

This seems to be more complicated then i would suspect. 10.000 online shops, no visiting address and the others dont have them in stock.

Anyone know one near rotterdam? i hate to drive to amsterdam for something allready this costly. If i cant succeed today i'll have to go online shopping. (but then i have to wait!)

Post by **Willem4ever** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:31 pm

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by snelvuur
 Ok,

All ready and set to go, wanting a axis241q, i thought i go out today and get me one in some shop.

This seems to be more complicated then i would suspect. 10.000 online shops, no visiting address and the others dont have them in stock.

Anyone know one near rotterdam? i hate to drive to amsterdam for something allready this costly. If i cant succeed today i'll have to go online shopping. (but then i have to wait!)
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I bought mine at Hardware Discount they have it currently on stock for €755.17 (incl. btw)

EDIT: Not really Rotterdam, but they deliver to your house, and are most likely the cheapest.

Post by **Snelvuur** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:36 pm

Yeah, amsterdam.. sigh.. i work in amsterdam 5 days a week. To go to amsterdam now.. besides i just unwrapped my bullet camera's but there is no 12v adapters with it. So thats pretty bad, so even if i get an axis now, i still cant play because i wont pay for a 12v adapter if they are suppose to come with the camera.

I think 2 shops in amsterdam are "ok" the rest is either too far or too misleading.

EDIT:

http://www.zercom.nl/index.php?p=35&c=2 ... =1&a=27335 (724,70 euro's)

but there in eindhoven.. more then an hours drive. Not to mention my gf has the car so i have the "non airconditioned" car.

And about delivering, i'am almost "never" home. So i always have to pick it up at the postoffice on a saturday, which is a BIG line (i hate that too) hehe

Post by **Willem4ever** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:40 pm

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by snelvuur
 Yeah, amsterdam.. sigh.. i work in amsterdam 5 days a week. To go to amsterdam now.. besides i just unwrapped my bullet camera's but there is no 12v adapters with it. So thats pretty bad, so even if i get an axis now, i still cant play because i wont pay for a 12v adapter if they are suppose to come with the camera.

I think 2 shops in amsterdam are "ok" the rest is either too far or too misleading.
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The adapters come seperately, they are an extra thrown in by waakzaam wonen. I know, I also dislike waiting but sometimes you have no choice.

Post by **Willem4ever** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:42 pm

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by snelvuur
 Yeah, amsterdam.. sigh.. i work in amsterdam 5 days a week. To go to amsterdam now.. besides i just unwrapped my bullet camera's but there is no 12v adapters with it. So thats pretty bad, so even if i get an axis now, i still cant play because i wont pay for a 12v adapter if they are suppose to come with the camera.

I think 2 shops in amsterdam are "ok" the rest is either too far or too misleading.

EDIT:

http://www.zercom.nl/index.php?p=35&c=2 ... =1&a=27335 (724,70 euro's)

but there in eindhoven.. more then an hours drive. Not to mention my gf has the car so i have the "non airconditioned" car.

And about delivering, i'am almost "never" home. So i always have to pick it up at the postoffice on a saturday, which is a BIG line (i hate that too) hehe
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Hardware Discount has a small 'store' in Amsterdam where you can pick up your order.

Post by **Snelvuur** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:42 pm

Ow, that answer would have saved me a phonecall

Thats pretty weird not to tell, since its very confusing.

Which cables did you get to go with them? to connect to the axis? I've seen those double cables (power + video)

Post by **Willem4ever** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:52 pm

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by snelvuur
 Ow, that answer would have saved me a phonecall

Thats pretty weird not to tell, since its very confusing.

Which cables did you get to go with them? to connect to the axis? I've seen those double cables (power + video)
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FYI: Amsterdam shop is at the Ceintuurbaan 135. I made my own cables, single coax, single power. The coax cable is much longer, power I take from the nearest outlet. I guess the combined cables are fine as well. (It all depends on your needs)

EDIT: I have a supply of coax, bought 100 meters a few months ago (I was offered 15% discount or so)

Post by **Snelvuur** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 1:13 pm

Well since i have to wait anyway, i had a talk with marcel, and just ordered some simple cables and the axis from him. Wasn't on the website but he did have it so thats an added bonus

When my house is done i'll do the same as you willem. Thats the cheapest, depending if i can grab power from a nearby outlet.

Post by **Snelvuur** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:49 pm

Waiting is over.. here is the result of my playing around...

http://www.binkey.nl/cams/webcam1.html it should work for everyone (also firewalled or with proxy) since everything is going over port 80. I've installed a reverse proxy on linux (so you can have device1.hostname.nl and device2.hostname.nl which are internal ip's but are still with port 80)

Ow, and tips about best quality/experience/speed is always welcome.

Post by **Digit** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:39 am

Very nice!

I saw a car passing (reflection of its lights on the building) and it looked very smooth, no hickups.
Couldn't find the rats though...

Could you explain the reverse-proxy-thing to me? I've got a linux box between my DSL modem and LAN, with IPtables, but have no clue what reverse proxy is... [:I]

Regards,
Robert.

Post by **Snelvuur** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:45 am

A reverse proxy is an installation of apache.

Think of this, you have a satelite receiver (192.168.1.100) and a webcamserver (192.168.1.105) and you also have a windows box with iis (192.168.1.110) and ofcourse apache running on your linux box (192.168.1.200)

So basicly you have 4 machines you want to show on your website, but you only have 1 port 80 for the outside. With a reverse proxy, you can tunnel your traffic through a virtualhost setting in the httpd.conf:

<virtualhost 192.168.1.200>
serveralias webcams.binkey.nl
ProxyPass / http://192.168.1.105/
ProxyPassReverse / http://192.168.1.105/
Errorlog /var/log/webcam/http-error.log
</virtualhost>

You add a dns entry with webcams.binkey.nl towards your ip address of your dsl line. So whenever someone goes to your webcams.binkey.nl, its transparant forwarded internally to 192.168.1.105 (the user does not see this) but its still coming over port 80. Now you can have infinite device on 1 ip address using port 80. Ofcourse every device needs a new hostname.

I hope this explains a bit

p.s. i had it on my rats, but its now pointing to a childrens school, how convenient

Post by **Digit** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 3:03 am

Thanx,

I get the picture. And now i have to reset my plans...

I was thinking of removing the linux box (30/35 W, 24/7, "only" for firewall + port fwd + SMTP + amavis + transparent proxy), but to do this you need httpd.
Currently i'm doing port forwarding so i need 1 port for IIS, 1 for videoserver and 1 for PTZ control. And actually, i don't like this config...

Time to re-consider some things.. [:)]

Regards,
Robert.

Post by **Bwired** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 10:13 am

Hi Snelvuur,
Welcome to the AXIS club [:)], Image looks great and is streaming good, not missing a second!
There are several options to stream, but you already saw that I guessed. Experiment a bit with the different options and see what is the best. I still use the java applet, Luckily It has a time out now on the client side so viewers can only view for 5 minutes or so depending on settings. If you have a lot of visitors the axis server gets very busy and cannot serve my domotica Home Automation system in a smooth way. The reverse proxy is really cool, I will examine if this is possible with only Windows Stuff, I think not [:(]. Now I have like 20 ports active for all kinds of devices and software. The downside to that is that a lot of company's are blocking all ports except the standard ones.
Pieter

Post by **Willem4ever** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 10:45 am

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by snelvuur
 A reverse proxy is an installation of apache.

Think of this, you have a satelite receiver (192.168.1.100) and a webcamserver (192.168.1.105) and you also have a windows box with iis (192.168.1.110) and ofcourse apache running on your linux box (192.168.1.200)

So basicly you have 4 machines you want to show on your website, but you only have 1 port 80 for the outside. With a reverse proxy, you can tunnel your traffic through a virtualhost setting in the httpd.conf:

<virtualhost 192.168.1.200>
serveralias webcams.binkey.nl
ProxyPass / http://192.168.1.105/
ProxyPassReverse / http://192.168.1.105/
Errorlog /var/log/webcam/http-error.log
</virtualhost>

You add a dns entry with webcams.binkey.nl towards your ip address of your dsl line. So whenever someone goes to your webcams.binkey.nl, its transparant forwarded internally to 192.168.1.105 (the user does not see this) but its still coming over port 80. Now you can have infinite device on 1 ip address using port 80. Ofcourse every device needs a new hostname.

I hope this explains a bit

p.s. i had it on my rats, but its now pointing to a childrens school, how convenient

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Good idea, this also solves the logging issues. The only drawback in this scenario is the apache server, it becomes a single point of failure .... well maybe not so important for our purpose.

Post by **Snelvuur** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:08 am

We are not building a HA cluster

Pieter, about the connection full with lots of viewers, you can buy for instance a WAG300N, these newer models from linksys have QOS but you can also set things like "http traffic" is 1st priority. Then for instance https, if you place the cams on https, you can at least throttle traffic. I do the same for my ssh/telnet sessions so they are always "smooth"